A return shipping fee of $75 will be deducted from your refund. Lo and behold, it felt so much better than my old saddle, I couldnt believe it. All our saddles . I am pretty sure it is free? Gorgeous 18. $4299.00. [QUOTE=amnich123;7527591] Front and Rear Blocks Whoops. CWD Saddle 17 SE02 Semi-Deep Seat Excellent Beautiful, 17" CWD SE02 170 TR 4C CALFSKIN MED/DARK BROWN SEMI DEEP HUNTER/JUMPER SADDLE, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. 17" CWD SE06 2L (2008) *Straight Flaps* quantity. 5h 51m left (Today 08:08 AM) or Best Offer +$90.00 shipping Sponsored 17" CWD Mademoiselle Buffalo Panels Pre-Owned $3,500.00 or Best Offer Free 4 day shipping 24 watchers Sponsored cwd saddle 17 New (Other) $3,000.00 or Best Offer +$168.70 shipping 15 watchers Sponsored I am barely 53" with proportionate legs. Jumping/Close Contact Long Flap English Horse Saddles, 16 in Saddle Western Horse Saddles, 14 in Saddle Western Horse Saddles, Hereford Saddles; Additional site navigation. [QUOTE=hequestrian;7527584] 18" CWD Saddle - 2017 - 2L Flaps - SE02 - 4.25" dot to dot - Pro Panels, Gorgeous 17" Devoucoux Omega Saddle with D3D Technology 2015. When I needed to order a new saddle since the saddle wasnt fitting my new horse that well, the rep insisted that with my conformation I needed to try the more forward flap. If your saddle is shipped back to Tip Top Saddlery after the Return Ship Date, without receiving approval for a trial extention, you may choose to consign the saddle with us with a 15% commission rate applied. I dont ride with my knee forward so I didnt go the C flap route- just the longer length! $4349.00. Give this saddle a try today and see why CWD is one of the most popular jumping saddles in the world! 2L Flap, 13.5" Long from bottom of the stirrup Bar, 14" Wide at Widest Point, (All measurements are our best effort but may vary slightly.). I had a fitting with a rep and my custom saddle is done, I was just having second thoughts since I rode in a clients saddle which was a 2L so I was just wondering what the difference was since Im 55 and a quarter. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. I posted some pictures of the different flaps and saddles on my blog if you are at all interested. Our models. This page was last updated: 02-Mar 01:50. Well what Im thinking is when I get the saddle (Its ready ship end of next week, but my mom wont finish payments until the end of the month), Ill have the rep who fitted me come out to make sure that the saddle fits the horse Im leasing (it has a pro-panel so I can only hope it does) and that it fits me. Mayaty02 August 29, 2020, 5:24am #4 The L flaps (regardless of length) just didnt work for me. So, the moral is, try everything and be prepared to be surprised that what you think you want may actually not be what fits best. 17" - 2020 CWD 2GS SE26, 2C Flap, 4.75 Tree, Full Calf, 17" CWD SE30 2GS CALFSKIN close contact jumping saddle- 5" MED/WIDE-2015 MODEL. SoJump, Softshell, Girth, Bridles discover or rediscover all our best-selling products! Lease service in three words ? 17 - 2022 CWD Mademoiselle 2GS, 2L Flap, Standard Panel - Excellent Condition $4,199.00 Add to cart CWD SE31 Mademoiselle 2gs 17" Semi-Flat Seat 2L Flap (Measuring 14" L x 13.75" W) 4.5" Tree (This saddle is not fully broken in so the panel may open a bit) This saddle has a standard panel and is offered in barely used condition. $4649.00. Complimentary items shipped with your saddle such as a saddle cover must be shipped back with the saddle or the full retail price will be deducted from your refund. I rode in the 2L and it just looked tiny. 17 CWD Mademoiselle SE32 2Gs 3L (2019) *Full Buffalo Leather*, 17" CWD 2GS SE25 CALFSKIN close contact jumping saddle 3L flaps-2015 MODEL. 30-day trial. Accessing this website signifies your agreement to be bound by the Terms of Service.2023 Horseclicks.com - all rights reserved - a member of the Friday-Ad network|, I would like to receive the newsletter for savings opportunities and suggestions. Creating a business account is free, and gives you access to an extended range of services and packages with better pricing. Every part of my body is short so the rep suggested me at first a 17.5 2C but the flap was way too forward for me. CWD is a high range saddle maker dedicated to the rider's sporting performances. 5" dot to dot tree measurement Really a super positive experience. 17.5" CWD SE01 2L flap Medium Tree Close Contact Saddle $3,600.00 Brand CWD From $324.93/mo with View sample plans color: BROWN size: 17.5" Quantity More Details 17.5" CWD SE01 Regular Tree 2021 Demo Condition Close Contact Saddle w/ Cover $5,796.00 $4,535.00 17.5" CWD SE01 Regular Tree 2021 Demo Condition Close Contact Saddle w/ Cover View cart for details. He insistd it was the right flap confirgurement for me. 17 - 2016 CWD SE02, 2L Flap, 4.5" Tree, Full Buffalo - Excellent Condition. With the L flap style the number made a large difference and the appearance of a 2L to a 4L was huge. Super comfortable seat, fits a wide variety of horses. :)[/QUOTE]. Secured payment. It provides the rider with an optimum close contact feeling and freedom of movement. Technically my rep said that a lot of reps would want me in a 17.5 3L due to my build but I just didnt like the feel of it and it left me with too much seat and no flap in the places I wanted it. Brand: CWD Model: 2G SE29 Age: 2016 Comments: 2L Flap Used Saddles For Sale on Consignment For more information, call 248-486-5616 Gorgeous grippy grain leather! 17 - 2016 CWD Mademoiselle, 2L Flap, Buffalo - Demo Condition $3,999.00 Sold out ***ON HOLD*** Please do not purchase without inquiring regarding availability first. Better than Demo Condition, Professionally Conditioned. Also just wanted to point out that if you think a 3L is too long remember that a 3C will be shorter. 4. Returns will not be accepted if saddle is purchased final sale. Under no circumstances shall Atelier AF LLC (also DBA Equestrian AF) and all of its officers, directors, owners or employees of Atelier AF LLC or Equestrian AF be liable for any damages or injury, including any direct, special, incidental, consequential, punitive or other damages, that may result, whether in an action of contract, negligence or other action, arising out of or in connection with the use or performance of the website, information available in the website, delivery of the goods or the merchandise itself. 17" CWD SE09 2A (2017) *Full Calf Leather*, 17" CWD SE03 3L (2019) *Long/Straight Flaps*, 17" CWD SE02 3C (2007) *Full Calf Leather*Long/Forward Flaps*, 17" CWD SE01 (BLACK) CALFSKIN close contact jumping saddle-2L FLAPS-2017 MODEL. But I wont get it for another 2 or 3 weeks because of shipping and payments. LIST PRICE: $3490 (TRIALS WELCOME - SEE TRIAL POLICY BELOW) FINAL SALE PRICE: $3390 Sold with matching cover. CWD SEO1. Highland Saddles 2023 All rights reserved. Dressage Saddles. 25" from stirrup bar to bottom and 14" across 17 - 2021 CWD 2GS (SE25), 2L Flap, 4.75" Tree - Excellent! The flat seat single-flap saddle is designed for cross-country riding. Any disputes arising under these Terms and Conditions will be governed by the laws of Illinois. There isnt a HUGE difference (maybe an inch) between the 2L and the 3L but it is just enough that it made it look perfect. 16.5" STUBBEN EDELWEISS with Biomex - $2,224.36. 17 Enlgish Saddle-brown, slightly used, amazing condition, new stirrup leathers, 17 CWD Mademoiselle Hunter French Jumping Saddle SE32 S1 TC 3C 2021 Full Calf, Lightly Used CWD 17" Forward Short Flap Deep Seat Pro Fit Calf Block Saddle, 17" CWD SE02 CALFSKIN close contact jumping saddle 2L standard flaps-2013 MODEL, *CWD 17" 2L Close Contact Classic Full Buffalo medium 4 1/2" English saddle New*, 17" CWD SE01 BUFFALO close contact jumping saddle (CWD LEATHERS INCL) 2019 MODEL, 17 - 2016 CWD Mademoiselle, 2L Flap, Buffalo - Demo Condition, Customs services and international tracking provided, 17" CWD Mademoiselle SE32 2Gs 1L (2017) *ON TRIAL*. I am pretty sure it is free? I LOVE my CWD and couldnt be happier with it. Extremely popular, CWD Saddles are favored by riders such as Scott Brash, McLain Ward, Kent Farrington, and Kelley Farmer. Thanks for the info though! The Mademoiselle has a cult-like following for good reason: This is a pristine 2021 CWD Mademoiselle with FULL BUFFALO leather. CWD'S MUST-HAVE PRODUCTS FOR YOUR TACK ROOM! CWD 2014 SE02. See conditions. or Best Offer +C $269.29 shipping estimate. $50.00. 17.5" CWD SE01 2L flap Medium Tree Close Contact Saddle-17.5" CWD SE01 2L flap Medium Tree Close Contact Saddle. The saddle that I ended up ordering is a 17" 4C so that is the more round/ forward flap. Your trial is your time to look over the saddle, and check fit for you and your horse. No refunds will be issued if your saddle is shipped after the Return Ship Date without receiving approval for a trial extention. Take advantage of an immediate discount of 15% on your first order by subscribing to our newsletter. Cwd should have some kind of table showing the seat flap combos. Flap Style: 2L (standard length/straight), Flap Length (measured from the bottom of the stirrup bar): 13.25, Gullet measurement: 4.25 (medium fit with thinned panels at the front for additional shoulder clearance. Anatomic french noseband bridle with fancy stitching, Contact us by phone, e-mail or chat from Monday-Friday from 8am-6pm. Damage to the saddle (scratches, tears, excessive wear, stains, broken tree) will result in a fee to be determined by Tip Top Saddlery and based on depreciation and/or repair costs. Give this saddle a try today and see why CWD is one of the most popular jumping saddles in the world! CONTINUE SHOPPING We'll send you a notice in early January (as long as you have at least $2 in Rewards) to let you know how much you have to spend. I would recommend having a rep out. Full payment (purchase) of the saddle is required for all trials. FINAL SALE POLICY:Returns WILL NOT be not accepted if saddle is purchased final sale at the discounted price. I am only 53" as are a few of my barn mates. Just looking for some general knowledge when it comes to the CWD flap lengths. SOLD - 17.5" CWD SE01 #CWD13 22193 (2013, Flap 3C, Grain-Calf) Not for Sale. I will look at the link you posted on your blog.[/QUOTE]. But more importantly what Im concerned with is that the horse Im leasing has a sensitive back, and gets sore pretty easily- so Im questioning whether or not Ill be able to break in the saddle on him. Equestrian AF offers an expertly curated selection of premium, preowned French saddles, luxe leather care & tack trunk beauty essentials - for those who are Equestrian AF. CWD $3,999.00 17 - 2022 CWD Mademoiselle 2GS, 2L Flap, Standard Panel - Excellent Condition CWD $4,199.00 17 - 2022 CWD SE02, 2C Flap, Standard Panel - BRAND NEW CWD $4,499.00 $4,099.00 Sale 17.5 - 2015 CWD SE25, 3C Flap, 5" Tree - Very Nice CWD $2,899.00 Sold out When I ordered it I insisted that I didnt need the forward flap since I do a lot of flat work, prefer more of an equitation seat with my leg underneath me and I dont jump very big. SKU: JS1192 Brand: CWD Model: Se03 Seat: 17.5 Flap: 2L (13.5 Long X 14 Wide) Tree: Medium (4) Panels: 205 905 RT Leather: Grain Calf Year: 2014 Condition: Excellent! **There is a $150 Restocking Fee if saddle is returned to us. Gotcha. 2L FLAP (standard length/straight) GULLET MEASURES 4.5" INTEGRATED PANELS. More Details 17 CWD SE06 2L (2008) *Straight Flaps* 17 Inch CWD Saddle se02 2L Flap M Tree + $93.18 shipping . In the case of a return, a full refund less the $50.00 re-stocking fee and less the return shipping charges will be credited to your credit card account. PROFESSIONALLY OILED AND IN DEMO CONDITION. Gorgeous dark brown CWD with standard length/straight flaps and a flat/hunter seat. Purchased for over$5,800 USD This saddle is designed for jumping. from United States Just realized my original response had the wrong flap numbers. But as you said the 3L is definitely longer than the 3C would be according to my rep. With the 2 flaps I didnt notice a massive length difference but the shape is totally different. For the Women 's Softshell jackets, take a size above your usual size for a slim fit or 2 sizes above for a loose fit. 17" CWD SE01 close contact jumping saddle 2L flaps-2019 MODEL Pre-Owned C $5,001.00 Top Rated Seller or Best Offer Shipping not specified from United States 17.5 - 2017 CWD Mademoiselle (SE32), 3L Flap, 5" Tree - Excellent Condition Pre-Owned C $4,624.67 or Best Offer Shipping not specified from United States 21 watchers We do not ship saddles outside the United States. Classic Saddles. and begin the day saddle is received by you. Is it possible for you to contact your rep and see if they can change the flap on your saddle? Gorgeous 18" Devoucoux Biarritz Saddle 17 Jean Luc Maurel ProGress Jumping Saddle 2010. Im 55, I had the first rep sit me in a 3C. Trials are automatic when saddle is purchased at full price through. SOLD- 17.5" CWD SE02 #15 40099 (semi deep seat, flap 2C, calf) Not for Sale. I didnt actually get to ride in a 17" 4C because it is apparently a less common size combo but from what my rep said a 4C would just add more flap in front of my leg as opposed to making it much longer. Im 56 almost 57, but all my length is in my calves. LIST PRICE: $3490 (TRIALS WELCOME SEE TRIAL POLICY BELOW). . ***SOLD*** EXCELLENT NEARLY NEW CONDITION* 2020 17.5 CWD SE03 *3C FLAP* FULL BUFFALO, ***SOLD*** 17 ANTARES SADDLE *FULL CALF* 2A FLAP. The flap was still too forward. 2 Flaps measuring 14" from stirrup bar to bottom and 13. $50.00. Stunning 17. Vero Beach. In the category Sports equipment for sale Cypave you can find classifieds, e.g. This is an interesting post. The tree is a standard medium-wide, and various panel configurations can be used to change the fit. 27 d 10 h 21 m 30 s. 17.5" - 2021 CWD Mademoiselle (SE31), 3C Flap, 4.75" Tree - Very Nice. Great saddle, fits most horses I put 374469717606 I ended up NOT going with a CWD because I didnt like the flaps. We accept payment by PayPal, Venmo or Zelle. If the saddle is returned, it should arrive back to us in the same condition in which you received it. And they would probably be able to help you hunt down a used saddle if you decided to go that route.[/QUOTE]. Check out. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. 2G Technology:he injected carbon kevlar Dynamick saddle tree that forms the backbone of the 2Gs saddle. TRIAL POLICY:Trials are automatic when saddle is purchased at full price throughEquestrianAF.comand begin the day saddle is received by you. If for any reason, you are not satisfied with the saddle or you feel it does not properly fit you or your horse, you may return it on or before your Return Ship Date. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. Absolutely stunning Mademoiselle SE32 in demo condition!!! I received the saddle 3 weeks ago and I cant say it is not broken. Cwd English Horse Saddles, Cwd Jumping/Close Contact English Horse Saddles, 16 in Saddle Western Horse Saddles, I purchased a used CWD SE02 2L, Im just under 54, shorts legs and any length my leg does have is from my hip to my knee- after 2-3 months I started to get awful lower back pain - Im now starting to think maybe I just went with the wrong configuration? 17 - 2022 CWD Mademoiselle 2GS, 2L Flap, Standard Panel - Excellent Condition. 17" CWD SE01 close contact jumping saddle + $97.18 shipping . With a saddle being so essential to our sport, we want a new path to riding a CWD saddle. COMES WITH CWD FLEECE-LINED COVER. Ignore the label of forward/not forward and go by feel. Saddles will ship within 1-2 business days from the time of the order, and require signature at delivery. Hope your saddle arrives quickly! We offer a 5 day trial for your convenience and are happy to ship at buyers expense! [QUOTE=hequestrian;7527632] The L flap is forward enough, its not like dressage style! . 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