"No, we're not passing racist laws because we hate people who are different from us, we're just following the science." Lisa:That makes sense. Rigo:So I asked Barry Mehler about the video. Rigo:So instead of going to the police, Barry asked his friends who used to be Marines to come live in his house with their guns and their 125 pound rottweiler. Donahue's guests are two middle aged men who could really pass as accountants. They weren't seeing the things that Barry was seeing, so Mehler goes down the rabbit hole of white supremacist literature, and what he finds shocks him even more. Phil Donahue Book Using stories from sciences past to understand our world. Uploaded by He sounds like a major player. Episode 2 from the Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race series. This is why Barry Mehler was so adamant that white supremacy was such a serious problem. Lisa:So really what The Pioneer Fund is doing is making bad ideas even worse. Over the years, he was trying to show the world that there was a direct line from Nazis in World War II to race scientists like Philippe Rushton, and it all comes back to the funding source. Just to give you an example of how this works, the journal Nature currently has an impact score of 40, and the Mankind Quarterly sits below one, but none of this mattered to the people in the Mankind Quarterly. Rigo:So just to give you an update on what Mehler's been up to recently, I asked him about some hot water he got into, and I'll play you some tape. Rigo:And since then, Mehler has always operated under the assumption that Nazis never really went away, and as it turns out, he's right. The ideology, the quote, unquote, "scientific support for racial hierarchy," This stuff is getting mainstreamed in the 1990s, isn't it? Unquote. So when things got hot, you wanted to make sure everything was locked down. Barry:They have their own printing presses, their own journals. I did the math, and it would be like, something like 160 million in today's money, so when I say his family was wealthy, I meant it, like their ancestral home was a castle in Scotland. That's amazing amount of territory to traverse when you are one of the leading fascist academic and organizers in the world. To check on you officers. web pages TELEVISION ACADEMY and ACADEMY OF TELEVISION ARTS & SCIENCES are registered trademarks of ATAS. Mehler connected the dots. The political implications of this is that if Black people are intellectually inferior, why bother having a social safety net? Rigo:Some of it was just completely bonkers. He recalls how his success hosting the call-in radio talk show, "Conversation Piece," in Dayton, Ohio sparked the interest of the local television station's general manager. Rigo:Okay. Rigo:Yeah. Please tell me someone noticed that this was happening. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. It was the first talk show that included audience participation and ran for 29 years on national TV. So Cox, and Laughlin, and Draper all have a hand in this racist advocacy right up to the floor of, of the Senate, as well as over in Germany. Rigo:So method three was the most important and consistent. William Shockley wasn't really producing anything new with their money, and he had a really prickly personality, so when his character got in the way of the message, The Pioneer Fund actually cut him off. What is the English language plot outline for Donahue (1967)? In 1967, Phil Donahue left his positions as news reporter and interviewer at WHIO radio and television in Dayton and became the host of a new television program, Phil Donahue Show on WLWD (now WDTN), also in Dayton. His new program replaced The Johnny Gilbert Show, when Gilbert left on short notice for Los Angeles for a hosting job. This is vile and viscous racist anti Semitic stuff, and he finds news there that he doesn't get anywhere else. Producer: Rigoberto Hernandez Unquote. So they could see it. Commercials were cut during the broadcast. The user assumes responsibility for obtaining permission from the copyright holder to publish or distribute this image. Rigo:Right. But what Barry Mehler did was to go deeper. The Science History Institute is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization registered in the U.S. under EIN: 22-2817365. web pages WebEmployment at the Library & Archives. Lisa:So tell me about Roger Pearson. 7 No. It's giving these ideas air, right? The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. This is another clip where Berry Mehler and J. P. Rushton are sitting next to each other debating. Bill:In general, Pioneer funded two different groups of recipients. Barry:And he puts this thing together which immediately is picked up by the American racist right, and the networking is incredible. People were throwing money at him. They wanted the ideas out but not their name. Rigo:That guy went on to become the world's largest publisher of neo Nazi material in Canada. Rigo:So he actually publishes a lot, and one of the things he published was an article in a Nazi magazine. He wanted to understand their philosophy. Rigo:Exactly. So, what it suggested was that Draper and Pioneer really took the initiative in every case, and reached out to these people, and tried to subsidize them once it realized that these were people who were doing things that would be of interest to Pioneer's agenda. Talk about context and urgency, that is what people understood, and that's why they were so upset at what I was doing. Be the first one to, Advanced embedding details, examples, and help, Donahue - Female Impersonators - 1987.ia.mp4, Donahue - Playboy Daughters - 1990.ia.mp4, Donahue The 25th Anniversary - 1992.ia.mp4, Donahue Then and Now - Male Strippers - 1987.ia.mp4, Phil Donahue Show - Adult Entertainers - Nov 1987.ia.mp4, Donahue - Female Impersonators - 1987.mp4, Donahue Then and Now - Male Strippers - 1987.mp4, Phil Donahue Show - Adult Entertainers - Nov 1987.mp4, Terms of Service (last updated 12/31/2014). Rigo:And method number two is hide the funding source. He started learning about the Klu Klux Klan, the right wing fascism and neo Nazis, and the thought about this stuff more and more until he reached a conclusion. Lisa:Oh, great. Rigo:Yeah, and The Pioneer Fund steers their work too. There's a load of absolute rubish. And as I got up, uh, a question began to form that really took me really the rest of my life to contemplate, which was why do they hate me? These things meant a lot to him, and he has a huge inheritance burning a hole in his pocket, so he's looking around for a great social cause to pour his money into, so he becomes drawn to what else but eugenics. He knew exactly what they were up to. They wanted to sue me for libel, and throughout my career, I have been at risk of being sued for libel because, you know, you, you call people Nazis, and, you know, they get upset, and no one has ever been happy that I exposed their racist and right wing connections. Keepers of the Flameis Episode 3ofInnate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race,a podcast and magazine project that explores the historical roots and persistent legacies of racism in American science and medicine. It was very important for them to be able to find a place where they would be appreciated. Paul: And then writes about it in an, a newspaper article that is syndicated and sent to a number of places around the country. He wrote the Funding of Scientific Racism. 7 (July, 1991), Cross-Port InnerView, Vol. Additional musicbyBlue Dot Sessions. So Draper he's very proud of that. Barry:When I was 13, you know, we have a bar mitzvah and, you know, a Jewish boy becomes a man, and there's a big party, and, you know, I have five brothers so I'm in middle, and so this was the first time they made a big fuss over me and I was the center of everybody's attention. Lisa:So they really do move underground. Lisa:I appreciate how clearly Barry Mehler gets to the heart of the issue. He explains how his journey took him from announcing television news at KYW in Cleveland, Ohio, to working in a bank in Albuquerque, New Mexico, to directing radio news in Adrian, Michigan. I'm sure the teenagers loved it. I mean at the time it was released, The Bell Curve, I, I know was widely discredited by a lot of mainstream scientists. Library & Archives Newsletter. You know, for God's sakes, we're feeding them breakfast. Rigo:Yeah, and it claimed that Black people were a threat to civilization, and that they should be repatriated back to Africa. It gets stranger. The collections and research newsletter brings you the latest on our acquisitions, library events, and programs. This is the Nazis in suits strategy that was so part of their message. Lisa:So, and this is really just personal curiosity, what about Barry Mehler? To me, it seems like he's trying to present himself as a reasonable, well spoken guy who's just asking questions, all in the name of academic curiosity, of course. That's what it was all about, they wanted to resurrect their movement to come after my son. He's an academic like Rushton, but less prestigious. Bill:Shockley was a very difficult person to work with, and eventually Pioneer ended his funding because he was just turning people off that Pioneer wanted to influence. And it was a dramatic transformation. Rigo:Yeah. He started researching eugenics in grad school, and his methods were not typical to say the least. Now, for better or worse, these are all facts. Rigo:So Laughlin comes up with their first endeavor. It's kind of a fitting name because he was born into a wealthy family in 1891. Audio Engineer: Jonathan Pfeffer. Lisa: Okay. Rigo:They were very entangled. So I'm gonna go back to that book in a bit. 3 (September, 1985), Crossdressers, Crossdressing, Drag, Drag balls, Gender realignment surgery, HIV/AIDS, Self-acceptance, Talk shows, Transgender people, Transsexualism, Verbal abuse, American Association of Sex Educators, Counselors, and Therapists (AASECT), American Psychiatric Association (APA), Be All You Want to Be, Creative Design Services, Crystal Club, Dick Wolfsie, International Foundation for Gender Education (IFGE), Jerry Springer Show, JoAnn Roberts, John Felder, Merissa Sherrill Lynn, Murray Povich, Richard F. 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I mean, uh, there's a lot of skepticism, he's getting a lot of dirty looks from people in the audience. Rigo:Barry Mehler is 75 years old now, and he's retired from teaching. Paul: And while he's in Europe Draper quite literally pals around with Nazis. "I realized during the commercials that these people in the audience were asking better questions than I was. Donahue discusses the many controversial topics and guests featured on the show over the years - including White Supremacist David Duke - and details his activities following the final taping of Donahue. Decades later, it still sounds the same. But if you want to go complain to your Dean, you go ahead. Distillations Podcast | February 21, 2023, innate_podart_900x600x300_episode6_bg.jpeg, Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race, National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom, The American Breed: Nazi eugenics and the origins of the Pioneer Fund, The Funding of Scientific Racism: Wickliffe Draper and the Pioneer Fund, The New Eugenics: Academic Racism in the U.S. Today, The High-Flying, Death-Defying Discovery of Helium. His work inspired others like Bill Tucker to follow the money, and the thing that really stood out to me about Mehler's writing was that there was a sense of urgency. Rigo:In the end, he did not get sued for libel, but he did remain a thorn in the side of The Pioneer Fund. He won a Nobel Prize for his work on semiconductors. His hugely popular show aired from 1967 to 1996, and Donahue won nine Daytime Emmy Awards (197780, 198283, 198586, and 1988) as I've never mailed my stuff out, but that was exactly what The Pioneer Fund was doing, and, and it was a, a strategy that they had to disseminate their information. MOO32 Stuff was pouring off the presses from him. You want to publish if you can in a journal with a higher impact score rather than a lower impact score. But unfortunately for Mehler, this was not the end of it. Rigo:Exactly. Lisa:In a way, this kind of makes sense for how academia works. I'm retiring at the end of this year. Rigo:Draper's view stayed the same, but he knew enough to realize that the world's views had changed. There are no reviews yet. This is an episode from the spring of 1990. First, on the idea front. Lisa:I'm gonna pull my academic hat on for a second and say an impact score is basically something that measures the importance of a given journal, so the higher the impact score, the more influential it is, so you measure that by citations and references, who's used the journal and cited it in their work. Donahue - Phil Donahue : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive Volume 90% 00:00 44:06 44:06 1 Donahue - 1972 - Gladys Knight 45:36 2 The Bell Curve was one of The Pioneer Fund's greatest hits for two reasons. High quality topics, the wisdom of his years, masterful tactics in eliciting answers from guests and audience, crafty spontaneous, and at times - well timed pertinent flow of questions and inquiries, not self-opinionated, all these qualities that present talk-show hosts don't seem to have. [Description and dates], Hagley ID, Box/folder number, MCI Communications Corporation records (Accession 2225), Manuscripts and Archives Department, Hagley Museum and Library, Wilmington, DE 19807, Access to this item is provided for educational and research purposes only. McNeil/Leher Report:What has landed the bell curve on the cover of many magazines and Charles Murray on numerous talk shows is that the book also links IQ with race on Mary's bell curve of IQ scores, blacks as a group have an average IQ of 85 whites, 100 Asians, 105. Barry:It still is, but even ore so then. If it is your nonprofit, add a problem So Rigo, you're one of our producers on our show, Distillations, and you've come in with a story today for us, right? Rigo:Honestly, you're not that far off. I mean, I was never anybody really. Barry:They're the ones who are winning. Despite what most people would agree were really problematic endeavors, Pearson did not have trouble finding a job in academia. Rigo: So I had a chance to Barry Mehler recently, and I asked him about the appearance on Phil Donahue three decades ago. Rigo:Mehler not only sent out his subscriptions, but he was also a due paying member of white supremacist organizations. Rigo:Right, exactly. So, Lisa, I know that you've done some research on eugenics because we've done other episodes that touch on it. Los Angeles - 1985 - Janet Leigh Jamie Lee Curtis.ia.mp4, Donahue. Lisa:Right. Barry:The word pioneer has a real meaning to these people. So The Pioneer Fund doesn't really care about the science. Rigo:Right. As critics at the time put it, these were old racist ideas with a new coat of paint. Television programsTelecommunications industry, MCI Communications CorporationLuce Press ClippingsAT & T (Firm), Manuscripts and Archives Department, Hagley Museum and Library, MCI Communications Corporation records (Accession 2225). Uh, the Harvard Educational Review article that he wrote, How Much Can We Boost IQ, you know, there was At the time, I was working at little Head Start in Spanish Harlem, and we would feed the children breakfast, and Arthur Jensen was argued, "It really isn't gonna change their IQ whether you feed them breakfast or not.". Lisa:Okay. Barry:Laughlin had the in roads, uh, the contact with legislators, the machinery of propaganda, and Draper had the money, and those two things went together to make Laughlin the first president of the foundation that was formed by Draper. Rigo: Now, Rushton tries to avoid mentioning the crux of the argument, but Donahue kind of does a translation. He uncovers dozens of academics with double lives. Lisa:Hi, Rigo. Angela:If, you know, the basis of the study of human difference for a couple of hundred years has been that race is real, you don't let go of it overnight, and so of course they didn't let go of it, uh Of it overnight. This is Barry Mehler. And, um, my son picked up the phone one day, and this, uh, guy said to him, um, "I'm gonna kill you, chop you up into pieces, and mail you back to your dad in boxes.". on September 9, 2018. The opposite, in fact. Jensen on Donahue:The, the white population of the United States score is higher on all kinds of mental tests, not just IQ tests, but every kind of mental test. That's an entirely other level of bad. They didn't really care about the science, but they relied on the science to give some sort of validity to their claims of racial inferiority, and Arthur Jensen was literally a star. Well, the idea of eugenics is basically a belief that the human race could or should be quote, unquote, "improved" by selective breeding. He also shares the story of meeting wife Marlo Thomas, how he feels about being parodied on Saturday Night Live, and what he really thinks of Oprah Winfrey. And actually, they found ours a bit too strict. Lisa:Ah, the infamous William Shockley. Phil Donahue, in full Phillip John Donahue, (born December 21, 1935, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.), American journalist and television personality who pioneered the daytime issue-oriented TV talk show. Bill:And this was the first instance of what became Draper's trademark, um, maneuver throughout the rest of his life. Here's $100. Rigo:Yeah. The group behind it bombed a synagogue in 1958, just to give you a sense of who they were. Even though his show was running, Phil also appeared as a contributor WebAn icon used to represent a menu that can be toggled by interacting with this icon. He knows there must be more there, and sure enough, he was right. Many of this seasons stories talk about racism in terms of how its systemicbaked into science and medicine in subtle ways. WebPhil Donahue was born on December 21, 1935 in Cleveland, Ohio, USA. This was also done to make it seem like there were more race scientists than there actually were. Rigo:No one has proven that these threats came from The Pioneer Fund, but what we do know is that The Pioneer Fund actually hired a private investigation firm. He's even polished when he starts talking about things like sex. Lisa:I feel like you're about to play me an example. Rigo:Bill Tucket says that when Shockley came out as a racist in the 1960s, The Pioneer Fund must have felt like they won the lottery without even buying a ticket. Format Moving Image. Uploaded by Rigo:Yeah. At the end of World War II chemist Charles Phelps Smyth chased down German nuclear scientists and the equipment they left behind. Rigo:One of the people to receive the most money from Draper and the Pioneer Fund was the founder of the Mankind Quarterly, Roger Pearson. Barry:Jensen and Shockley were stars, were, were Pioneer stars, and they received huge amounts of money from The Pioneer Fund. the video in question is 14 minute long course introduction that he sent out to his students students earlier this month. Lisa:And in the case of Pearson, if someone did try to attack him, he'd use the idea of academic freedom to fight against it, you know, and, and certainly it seems like he was keeping his Mankind Quarterly work more on the down low and using his other academic work to build a shield around himself. He was previously married to Marge Cooney. Barry:At the time, we had been getting a lot of death threats, and so And by the way, I wouldn't go to the police. Okay, so how did he get involved? WebHost Phil Donahue questions Bill Clinton and Albert Gore, Jr. in the studios of Nashville's WSMV-TV, taking questions from members of the audience including Stacy Harris who Lisa:Yeah. Rigo:Yeah. Bill:Usually people wanting their research to be funded take the initiative to contact funding agency and say, "Hey, look. You'd, you'd just hope you didn't cross over with him on any committees. Associate Producer: Padmini Ragunath Barry:And he's endorsed by President Ronald Reagan, uh, right? Rigo:[laughs] Yeah. Subscribe to our quarterly newsletter for the latest I want my name to be associated with my work. He was a legend in Silicon Valley. Then I, I trust you believe there are others. And I couldn't give a flying any longer and to the administration and no limit of an administrator is going to tell me how to teach my classes because I'm a tenured professor. Los Angeles - 1985 - Janet Leigh Jamie Lee Curtis.mp4, Terms of Service (last updated 12/31/2014). The Bell Curve was The Pioneer Fund's biggest win when it was published in 1994. At this point, Barry Mehler decides not to become a rabbi, and instead pursues the history of science, and in particular, the history of Nazis and race science. I would imagine that some opinions are changing as the war drags on. Rigo: The Spanish Civil War was used by the Nazi's as a military testing ground and Draper wanted to be part of it. Lisa:Oh my God, I'm afraid to ask, Rigo, but you're gonna tell me. Search the history of over 797 billion on the Internet. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. Rigo:Exactly. Hagley Library is engaged in ongoing efforts to address and responsibly present evidence of oppression and injustice in our collections. Rigo:Yeah. It makes me think of the Donahue interview with Rushton. Phillipe Rushton on Donohue:Oriental populations have less sexual partners than do whites. And I wasn't just calling them Nazis, I was putting out a context to show that this was a fascist endeavor, and that these people were not only Neo Nazis, but they were just old fashioned Nazis, and I think that it was one of the reasons why they hated me so much. Rigo:One of the things that I really appreciate is how he pivots from being funny to serious very quickly, like the humor gets people's attention, and then he sneaks in some truth. And before you try to tell me that he's still on the fringes, listen to this. And remember, the Harvard Educational Review, they published it. He was an avowed racist, and pretty public about it. Rigo:Right. Is it because the Mankind Quarterly wasn't as known, like you kind of had to, like, know what it was? He is among the most influential talk show hosts whose fans have nicknamed king of daytime talk.He was in 1996 ranked #42 on TV Guides 50 Greatest TV Stars of All Time. Rigo:Somebody painted a swastika on his mailbox. The father is just driving along proud of his son. Rigo:Why do you think that is? Funding wasn't an issue for them, they had Wickliffe Draper. And when I say a Nazi magazine, the logo literally had a swastika in it, and then he wrote an article that claimed that Jews had started World War II, and they were trying to exterminate the Germans so they were the victims. So a '90s race scientist has come to the Phil Donahue Show. Lisa:They just have to keep at it 'til the temperature changes. American media personality Phil Donahue is famous for pioneering and hosting "The Phil Donahue Show," later known as "Donahue." Unpublished finding aid available at the repository. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. And we just went down a whole list, and, you know, and he confirmed that he was all those people. Rigo:So, clearly method three achieved the desired effect, to find powerful like minded racists. Lisa:Sorry, Rigo, we haven't gotten to the really crazy part yet? Rigo:What's interesting about eugenics is that it's a dirty word now, but in the 1920s and the early 1930s, they were mainstream ideas, they were in vogue. Rigo:The Pioneer Fund only cared about upholding white supremacy. In his four-and-a-half hour Archive interview, Phil Donahue describes the meandering path that led to hosting his long-running talk show, The Phil Donahue Show aka Donahue. Bill:I figured, okay. Lisa:Because they don't want to take credit for their deeply held beliefs in public. It was part of his insecurity, but the data for this was so stupid. Rigo:While some of The Pioneer Fund scientists like Shockley are public facing, the Pioneer itself liked to remain out of the spotlight. Why would I publish under a pseudonym? For example, when I went on the shows, you know, the audience was overwhelmingly on my side. Let me read this. James Moll conducted the interview on May 9, 2001 in New York, NY. The Pioneer paid for it, but the Harvard Educational Review published it. Second, it sometimes publishes valid news that I don't find elsewhere." Barry:You know when you don't want to know? Essentially, it gave racists a cover story. on the Internet. There's two things that were going on. Phil Donahue's Lisa:Sure. Rigo:No. Lisa:There's no resolution. Quote, "On two points, I put The Thunderbolt ahead of much of the American press. WebThe Phil Donahue Show, also known as Donahue, is an American television talk show hosted by Phil Donahue that ran for 26 years on national television. Then the black population in the United States on the average. Rigo:Kind of, yeah. They, they didn't know me at all. Richard Lynn was the editor of the Mankind Quarterly at this time. So up until now, we've been talking about the neo Nazi propaganda that Barry Mehler gets in the mail, but what does he actually do with all the information he's collecting? It is around this time in the early 1970s that something happened that could have been the end of The Pioneer Fund. Rigo:It's called The Pioneer Fund, and over the years, it has bankrolled dozens of race scientists and other academics who push these kind of views. ABC News Archive on Laughlin:It was called Erbkrant, which means hereditary, defective. And in one of the books that he was writing, he devoted an entire chapter to Barry Mehler. Ultimately, the Holocaust showed the world the inevitable consequences of eugenics, and there was a great moral reckoning, which led to in agreement about race and race science. Here's money we'll send you. Barry: The Pioneer was looking for scholars who were willing to take a stand, and that's what Jensen was willing to do. I mean, that's some classic, "Oh, at least these guys tell it how it is." There were some consequences, though. 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