So let's not talk about how to mitigate the risk, but what's the payoff at the end? It was good. This isnt to say that we dont disagree like any group of passionate, opinionated people, we disagree often. The best bottom up leaders were like, hold on, let me talk to my team first. Once, because most problems are unknown problems. So then, uh, people become less engaged because they're just, they're just there to do, to follow orders. But what, what about ownership makes sustainably successful teams? What do you think is the ultimate sacrifice? Pamela Chan Sep 23, 2022 4 min read Culture From the East to West and back: Meet Giri Kuncoro 7. So make those painful moves early. This one's good about focus and prioritization. The more that people below you come up with better ideas, the more you know you're on the right path. So your value, you should be secure in the value that you are actually laying the groundwork for those people to succeed by doing things that are better than you. So you have to have targets at the top and everything has to be MC, the middle layer has to contribute to the top layer. Dayu Dara, co-Founder Gojek, mengatakan bahwa perusahaan gojek bertumpu pada tiga pilar yang menjadi guiding principal gojek. Uh, what is obviously the, that, that, that ownership. Like usually the, what I've realized is that the more talented a person is their level of disillusionment when they hit that kind of top down mindset without actually being able to air or voice their opinion effectively enough and guide the direction of whatever scope they're doing is even more cataclysmic for great talent. Um, that process not involving your one downs in that process is basically the first, it's like the original sin. Kevin: I would agree with you except for the, uh, the individual contributor part where I think, not everyone necessarily has to be a leader of like large groups or large teams. Right. I'm going to check it out first. Nadiem: I just got it done. It's people, usually people or media, uh, usually highlight the things that, um, short term strategies often are closely linked to. And so on. GoTo Group is the largest digital ecosystem in Indonesia, with a mission to "empower progress" by offering technology infrastructure and solutions that help everyone to access and thrive in the digital economy. Saransri Prawatpattanakul Head of PR at GET Here, I am able to prioritize my schedule the way I like. And you also have to be a very effective collaborator to do that. Nadiem: Yeah. Right. But at the end of the day, you have to be a leader or somehow. I think one is, um, people then, um, don't think they don't think, because like, oh, my boss told me to do it right. Gojek has raised a total of $5.3B in funding over 13 rounds. Ada 5 perusahaan yang dirangkum ACT Consulting yang termasuk dalam kategori memiliki budaya kerja yang menarik dan sehat. Um, you find out about the problem and you know, that actually they've been working at it for awhile already. So I think on the planning process, what's your idea of an ideal bottom up leader? Nadiem: Debatable. Right? Kevin: Yes, of course I was like, Oh yeah, okay, we got this, we got this. And I think courage to believe that those unsexy, slower, more painful investments you put into your organizations will ultimately lead to far longer successful run, and in a much more sustainable way. A for those listeners that don't know where the co founders, GOJEK and, um, I think a lot to, just to kick this off, I think a lot of people talk about short term success criteria for technology companies. Implement. Or like hit a reliability rate of X percent. Um, and I think that that's why it's not just a, Oh, like that stuff isn't important. Nadiem: That's super interesting. About Clan Culture: A clan culture is people-focused in the sense that the company feels family-like. We grew 900x in 18 months and still rapidly doubling. Kevin: Right. And that was the payoff in my mind. This is infused in the way we do a goal setting. Nadiem: And so let's talk a little bit about, I want to talk a little bit about what we actually did right in the organization to pay tribute to this bottom up innovation. Yeah. We dont claim to know what it takes to build a culture that can scale. The Culture Design Canvas is the #1 tool to map the current culture of an organization and design the future state. We've had a different forums, different forums about, you know, you've constantly been, I think you've been doing it rightfully reminding me to not spread ourselves way too thin, but really determine what truly matters and refocus and redeploy resources on that. Evaluate. I have the inverse of that as the red flag. And then we come to the third kind of strategic theme, which is be the best at what matters. Move Engineering, Merchant EcoSys. And kind of see that in you check in like every year it's still the thing that they really want to nail that level of conviction of saying like, oh, we're going to be great at this. Gojek is Southeast Asia's leading technology group and a pioneer of the integrated super app and ecosystem model. Especially because, you know when the, then the company is like 30 people all in the same room, even top down doesn't feel very top down, right? Perusahaan teknologi yang sudah sangat dikenal ini percaya bahwa bekerja secara produktif dan serius tidak harus mengenakan jas rapi. Creating a verbal communication ritual, uh, sharing a problem and resisting sharing the solution until all parties have spoken in your team. The three pillars of Gojek Speed Move fast, push boundaries. The Dynamic Culture (DC) team, headed by Sam Diah, had never encountered such an emergency. Culture as organizational personality Like, why am I here leading all these people if they can do a better job than me? Well, some of the risk is that you actually slow down some of the key initiatives because you realize that other teams require, you sacrifice a little bit of your ego in a team in exchange for helping out a partner group or buddy elsewhere. Uh, we should, uh, get, uh, teams to align with each other. Theyre often reduced to a binary absolute: The Magical Team, or the Useless team. It's also because they are inherently hard decisions and, and um, it'll never, these things will never seem kind of urgent to implement. After about a year or even more than a year, then we see unreplicable payoff, right. And I'm always really amazed at you know companies that will say like, okay, this is one thing we're really going to nail. And what's the difference between thought leadership and just being really good at execution? Kevin: Yeah, I think so. And it's hard. Google. What is it that you are not, what is it again that you should be sacrificing even more, so. Kevin: Yeah. I'll set up elsewhere and the inverse part is to create an incentive or at least a cultural incentive to help out other teams, so breaking down silos, there's a payoff to it, right? Gojek has made 13 investments. It's very hard to recover after that. Right? They break it down into the core values to help the employees reflects on the behaviour. Nadiem: In order to achieve building better bridges? We are in a fast-paced environment but I know I can slow down when I need to. And we're also much further from the problem. That's a really hard thing to save for I would say anyone. Kevin: Yeah. INTROUCTION Organizational culture means a common perception held by the organization's members. There are very, very many good benevolent dictators in tech companies out there, right? We got Nadiem and Kevin again, that's right on Go Figure podcast. Kevin: What artificial intelligence. "gojek is a pioneering technology company with an extensive ecosystem of 18 diverse services, backed by a strong group of strategic investors. They decided like, okay, we're going to tackle this. A Trusted Advisor. Yup. Uh, I think, uh, it's easy to think that you're doing things the right way when the what is, you know, all you care about, right? And I think that's very important to him to codify it. When they're trying to raise something to me, I would like to hear, you know, I would like to hear, um, credit given to others. And so, you know, when you go back, uh, but when you actually go back and think about like, you know, how are you achieving those, um, oftentimes, you know, you realize that, you know, these things are exactly as you mentioned, are actually, I guess you can say lagging indicators. Nadiem: Right. Move CTO S. Move Business Intelligence I. We are here because of each other. Nadiem: Exactly. Organizational culture is the set of underlying beliefs, values, principles, and ways of interacting within an organization. Nadiem: It's not how quickly they get it done. Company Type For Profit. Uh, but then it just didn't, it, it didn't matter. And I think these are the things that very often organizations are too lazy to invest in upfront because they don't give, there's no instant gratifications here. Right? Right. And I think in a world where, you know, a company is growing and in a world where there is competitive pressure obviously in many different, you know, from many different angles in the business, I think there is the temptation to say, oh, we have to win every single thing. Sense-making has been. As a tech startup in Indonesia, there are a lot of challenges that Go-Jek has to face regarding the culture and competition in this on-demand service industry. Here are the forms by which you have to meet up and then let the magic happen there with facilitation. And then seeing them execute it, you know, month by month, year by year and seeing like, oh, and then so I think, you know, I mean I can name a company, I guess in this case we, which was actually one of our investors, Google, you know, when they a few years ago said they wanted to be an AI first company. Either way, it makes engagement and collaboration difficult, because nobody empathises with an ideal. You say, yeah, that's, you know, I'm going to solve it. Better rides coming your way. This person's been crushing it. Google follows the corporate culture. I think in many ways we have to sacrifice the concept of overly, number one, overly rewarding teams for their achievements of their own team only instead of the bigger group or the bigger company for that reason. Um, and it's out of our control, right? Like nothing is ever on fire and then you, oh, you have to do these things now. Yeah. And the reason why is because as the company grows, the level of complexity is so high. Bridges. Strong Communication and teamwork trans-sectored is wanted in the Corporate Culture at Google. For a product designer, Gojek is a great place to be. Welcome to Gojek's Bangalore office! Transform your company culture, cultivate your people and help retain the highest performing talent. Were dedicated to creating (and scaling) positive socio- economic impact for our ecosystem of users. We occupy 3 floors of a building in Bangalore's Diamond. And everyone will agree that it is the right thing to have teams collaborate. Just like saving a dollar every day. Kevin: Yeah. Is it really like what do you get? And so it's very easy to kind of, you know, create that alignment and people are excited. Oh, they're great. Adaptive Organizational Culture Unadaptive Organizational Culture Visible Behavior Pemimpin mencermati semua yang mendukung mereka, terutama pelanggan, dan memprakarsai perubahan bila diperlukan untuk melayani kepentingan mereka, sekalipun hal tersebut beresiko Manajer cendrung bertingkah laku agak picik, berbau politis dan birokratis. Not in a light touch way. Do you understand what the objective was? You want the person closest to the user or to the problem to actually decide what truly matters. Build shared values. Fantastic for short term but disastrous for long term. The underlying cultural assumptions can both enable and constrain what an organization is able to do. Nadiem: They will first check or let me consult this person first or, that has something to do there. If you're the best at everything, you're the best at nothing. GO FIGURE is a podcast dedicated to expose the inner workings of ambitious tech companies in the emerging world. I think also a lot of, one of the reasons why this is one is challenging is because a lot of times people, people, leaders, then might feel insecure, right? Right? So you need that forcing mechanism. Questioning authority was not, you know, something that was viewed positively and, but then how did you feel in terms of, you know, the things that you did, uh, with respect to that authority? Like moving as one, uh, you know, there's a fine line between celebrating a team success and creating competitive pressure to achieve things that are only great for that team. Hmm. Copy link. Kevin: That's right. At the very best. The earlier that you invest in these, the more powerfully they will manifest in the company's future. It can be anyone who just wants to have a sense of contribution. But it's how far are you willing to go to kind of make that happen? Nadiem: And, and most of those things that we talk about or the media talks about are usually related to growth or capital raising or uh, you know, how many people you've hired. Gojek (then GO-JEK) begins to paint the town green. Right. It's going to do, you know, I'm going to do whatever, you know some, someone told me and, and I think you know, you, you also have smart people who kind of, or smart people who also fall in that category. But these apps that connect drivers to passengers are creating competition for established. So I think that would be my one. Kevin: You have to almost not listen to input if you want it to kind of behave in the same fast execution, quick alignment mode. Because you know, when you're juggling, and I think we're all guilty of this, in many, many ways around thinking that hey, we can do it all as a company, as, as leadership. I think there's also oftentimes that question from, from a lot of folks who then, you know, or might be resistant towards this idea, it inherently kind of challenges, um, maybe, you know, traditional notions of what somebody in a leadership position should be doing. Thanks so much for tuning in. The other is fear. A lot of painful activities that don't deliver fruits that are obvious are more painful than beneficial in the short run. And getting feedback from people about that. Nadiem: Yeah, I get it. It's gonna be what where we are going to do or be our best at. I think just forcing, just saying that, hey, collaborate more without it being bottom up I think probably makes top down worse, right? Okay. And it just shows that there, there are some of these like achiever showers or, uh, you know, uh, leaders that yes, they do, they hit those milestones, but at what cost? Right. Kevin: So I think, I think in the early stages, it's, um, in the early stages, it's, it's really easy to do a top down without feeling bad about it. I think coming in year three, four, five and then 10 years is exponentially greater. So it's funny, it's almost the same thing. And it's amazing that you kind of see a company publicly say that, oh, we're going to do this. It's just that they have, their team happens to do that really well. Right? Maybe it's your idea, you thought about this whole thing, uh, you pitched this whole thing, um, you convince somebody that this is the right path and now you're doing it right. Jan 13, 2022. It's very hard. Every piece of code we ship and our efforts to make sure our customers have a better experience. Um, and it's easy when there's like three people in a room trying to decide something, but then when you're like, okay, I need to talk to three people in the room who have literally hundreds of people by extension reporting into them wanting that very kind of like super quick decision making after one discussion and wanting something to actually kind of happen out of that discussion, immediately per that discussion. Nadiem: That's right. I feel exactly the same. Operations expand beyond Jakarta. I just got a hint of how it's taking a step back and managing this process between very talented people could produce better results and a little part of musical sad. Right. In a hyper-growth organization like GO-JEK, technology plays a vital role. Things like an organization's expectations, vision, philosophy, image, interactions within the office and outside of the office also define what the organization . Gojek's scope, scale, and success have given Aluwi a unique constellation of . Nadiem: And why is that a bad thing? And you're beat, you're there. Right. Series A funding flows in. And you saw that even in our, in our core product group, a session where everyone was like typing questions and challenges online. Top down isn't about being a, uh, you know, like a tyrant. I think actually these two parts or these two themes actually almost go hand in hand in that sense. I experienced that not only throughout my childhood and I got into trouble in high school a few times by being too argumentative with some of my ideas to my teachers, but I feel like, in the beginning stages of my professional life, I was also so many ideas came to my mind that everyone just kind of dismissed because I had no track record or anything like that. Nadiem: Same exact thing. Gojek Engaged Employer Overview 1.1K Reviews 48 Jobs 796 Salaries 301 Interviews 323 Benefits 16 Photos 545 Diversity + Add a Review Gojek Employee Reviews about "org structure" Updated Oct 28, 2021 Find Reviews Clear All Full-time, Part-time English Filter Found 15 of over 1K reviews Sort Popular Popular COVID-19 Related Highest Rating So a lot of companies and organizations try to tell their teams you must collaborate more, but they don't create the goal setting incentive with which to achieve that. Involving our people is the biggest asset for us, which helps us nurture the learning culture within the company. Evaluate. We've invested so much time and effort. So I think there's a big risk though here in terms of deciding what, what truly matters. Corporate culture reflects the values, beliefs, and attitudes that permeate a business. This is one thing that I think all companies, including ourselves are consistently terrible at consistently. Right. Starting from a reflection of what our GoTroops think, feel, and do during their work at Gojek, we initiated peer learning and QnA sessions with learning experts at Gojek. Yes. And they adopted that policy around all of our markets. But that enabled this OKR setting process to be much more bottom up. That just kind of like took off. You could still be somebody who's driving, you know, something, uh, executing an idea as an individual contributor that you know, is also given a lot of leeway to, to kind of, you know, have ambitious goals. Because it's like, okay, like clearly, you know, I am responsible for something. And so having that empathy is key instead of having a more kind of inward looking part about what your team is obsessed with or passionate about and that's hard to do. Kevin: Well, I think it's, uh, people don't even see it as a short term, right? Right. 2023 Gojek | Gojek is a trademark of PT GoTo Gojek Tokopedia Tbk. And look, hey, you're a new father, right? Share this post. and the free food and food corners, Google encourage the "Googlers" to communicate extensively within the organization. Yeah. Yeah. And what we did in 2019 is that we reduced it to seven basically. But they rationalize how they're going to help achieve that metric as opposed to we set these very prescriptive targets and goals and then each then the, the groups take it on and then the sub-groups take it on. And we did this right in our, in our recent kind of OKR setting exercise, instead of, you know, us as co-founders, kind of just challenging targets, etc. And you see this in product teams all the time, right? Hope you enjoy it. Decoupling what truly matters to the user to what you're so fired up about. Enter the Gojek app. Photograph by WeWork. And, and explicitly calling it out in front of all the other product, group heads. Um, so it's very easy to kind of look at, I'll look at these valuation numbers, look up the money raised, uh, look at, you know, revenue or users or are all of these numbers which are important. Kevin: Well, I think a few things, right? For us at GO-JEK, culture is a collective philosophy about how to build products that change lives. Like what should they do and, and what would you give them credit for? In this article, we'll explore what organizational culture is, how . I don't have to think, because as long as I said my boss did it, I'm safe. Move Marketing A. So we've cracked that we need to first bottom up individual. And the research and the data is very important as well. Like I've seen this be a pretty consistent theme where you know, I'm always shocked when I hear the amount of effort and depth a lot of your leaders I've seen in many other companies put into their people put in to their organization that don't have like payoffs this week or next month or might be at best to be something like, oh, next quarter, you know, this is going to be great. In all companies. It's like, okay, if I am the leader here, I am the most senior person within this group of other people and I am not the one who's coming up with the ideas and I am not the one that's getting credit for making the right calls or coming up with the right ideas, then what is my value? An organizational structure is a visual representation of what employees do, who they report to, and how business decisions are made. Because we know the risks you slowed down. You name it we do it. So if you're, if you, if you don't have that mental resilience to know that your baby could be irrelevant, yeah. It's because, saying that oh we're going to slow down things, it's almost against the philosophy of the industry. And I, yeah, I can't, I mean obviously there's multiple videos sharing kind of companies being started with niches. Um, I think it's very easy to fall in love with, you know, your solutions and your ideas or the things that you know, you particularly good at or you've, what you've been doing for a while. My name is Nadiem Makarim, CEO and founder of GOJEK Southeast Asia's first Super App. Yeah. Kevin: But did you also know people who are totally fine with just like, hey, heads down. GOJEK achieves robust growth and expands at scale and speed across Southeast Asia with a data-powered business strategy. And that's sort of the, the waterfall comes out. And, and there were some clear benefits to that. That's just noise. I think that part is, I think, um, the next step of really kind of instituting these philosophies that generally sound good. Um, yeah. GoFood rated #1 user-friendly app during the pandemic. Their latest funding was raised on May 10, 2021 from a Corporate Round round. And then it's like a cascading process. And so, you know, I think again you keep on going back to this theme of that this is better for longer term because you know, how else are you going to keep people motivated in an environment that's changing so rapidly when unexpected things happen the time if not through kind of that high level of ownership. I never used to be a regular youtube visitor. You want to be the best that what truly matters must be passion agnostic. Yeah. However, as an organization matures, the hard part is not scaling the technology, but paying heed to culture. Our founding team members are all Internet and e-commerce veterans, with extensive experience from well-known Chinese, SEA & US tech companies such as Alibaba, Google, Facebook, Gojek, Lazada, etc. Grows 1,100x in total volume of transaction. Number of Exits 3. 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